FLCC> Greene Carpool

Sat Nov 3 09:57:27 EST 2007

If any one is heading out to the CX race in?Greene tomorrow morning?and would like to carpool from Ithaca (I can drive or someone else may if they please), give me a ring at 978 994 2199.

Matt Plumb 

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   1.  VO2 etc. numbers (Glenn Swan)
   2.  Rhino, I'd like those shifters (Wayne Gottlieb)
   3. Re:  VO2 etc. numbers (Jack Rueckheim)
   4. Re:  VO2 etc. numbers (Karen)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:29:27 -0400
From: Glenn Swan <gs37 at cornell.edu>
Subject: FLCC> VO2 etc. numbers
To: Karen <kmlop2 at gmail.com>, flcc at icycle.org
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At 12:11 PM 11/1/2007, Karen wrote:
>FYI- This pricing is a steal. I just had mine done this morning and it 
>cost me $175. Great numbers BTW, not sure what I am supposed to do with 
>them so I hired a coach!!

Very interesting and relevant observation. What good are the numbers for 
most of us ? There are some local racers and local sports physiologists who 
will hopefully turn this into an interesting and informative thread, as 
they use these numbers to tailor a training program to your physical 
limits/abilities and help you to reach your possible limits most 
efficiently and effectively. There is a lot of technical training using 
heart rate monitors and power meters and knowledge of physiology to 
"optimize" training. As the one who wears the hat of "Coach" of the FLCC I 
am certainly aware of much of this equipment and body of knowledge. Heck, I 
SELL the equipment, so I should be pushing you to get into all of this stuff...

BUT....

Most of us only find the numbers to be "interesting" or "confirmation" of 
what we already suspected, or maybe reason to be hopeful that we have the 
potential to be better than we thought. (read:Trevor Connor) Two important 
observations about these numbers: 1) VO2 etc. tend to indicate your 
potential, but don't guarantee success (or lack thereof), so although it is 
fun to know your numbers, they don't tell you much that is practical and 
useful.  2) To do something practical and useful with your numbers, you 
will probably need to hook up with a good coach and plan to be very 
dedicated to a technical training program. If your coach is good and you 
are very dedicated, you will reach very near your maximum physical 
potential on the bike. Will you become a successful racer ? Will you enjoy 
riding your bike while working solely toward achieving maximum physical 
potential ? Maybe yes, and maybe no. A bad coach will burn you out and help 
you to discover the joys of playing tennis.  A training program that 
focuses only on physical training and ignores the many other aspects of 
riding and racing won't make you able to beat really smart and determined 
racers like Ernie Bayles or other perennial top-dogs.

SO.....

By all means, go and get your numbers if it sounds interesting to you. Get 
a coach and develop a training program with him/her, if you have big goals 
to reach for.  Just remember to ride your bike and have fun doing it.

Glenn  

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 14:09:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wayne Gottlieb <wgottlieb at yahoo.com>
Subject: FLCC> Rhino, I'd like those shifters
To: flcc at icycle.org
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Bill, When can I get the shifters you told me about? 
My home phone is 272-4577  Wayne

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 21:07:51 -0400
From: "Jack Rueckheim" <Jrueckheim at frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: FLCC> VO2 etc. numbers
To: "'Glenn Swan'" <gs37 at cornell.edu>,  <flcc at icycle.org>
Message-ID:
    <20071102010746.DD718B4B8C at relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net>
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What's wrong with tennis?

J.

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From: flcc-bounces at icycle.org [mailto:flcc-bounces at icycle.org] On Behalf Of
Glenn Swan
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:29 PM
To: Karen; flcc at icycle.org
Subject: FLCC> VO2 etc. numbers

At 12:11 PM 11/1/2007, Karen wrote:
>FYI- This pricing is a steal. I just had mine done this morning and it 
>cost me $175. Great numbers BTW, not sure what I am supposed to do with 
>them so I hired a coach!!

Very interesting and relevant observation. What good are the numbers for 
most of us ? There are some local racers and local sports physiologists who 
will hopefully turn this into an interesting and informative thread, as 
they use these numbers to tailor a training program to your physical 
limits/abilities and help you to reach your possible limits most 
efficiently and effectively. There is a lot of technical training using 
heart rate monitors and power meters and knowledge of physiology to 
"optimize" training. As the one who wears the hat of "Coach" of the FLCC I 
am certainly aware of much of this equipment and body of knowledge. Heck, I 
SELL the equipment, so I should be pushing you to get into all of this
stuff...

BUT....

Most of us only find the numbers to be "interesting" or "confirmation" of 
what we already suspected, or maybe reason to be hopeful that we have the 
potential to be better than we thought. (read:Trevor Connor) Two important 
observations about these numbers: 1) VO2 etc. tend to indicate your 
potential, but don't guarantee success (or lack thereof), so although it is 
fun to know your numbers, they don't tell you much that is practical and 
useful.  2) To do something practical and useful with your numbers, you 
will probably need to hook up with a good coach and plan to be very 
dedicated to a technical training program. If your coach is good and you 
are very dedicated, you will reach very near your maximum physical 
potential on the bike. Will you become a successful racer ? Will you enjoy 
riding your bike while working solely toward achieving maximum physical 
potential ? Maybe yes, and maybe no. A bad coach will burn you out and help 
you to discover the joys of playing tennis.  A training program that 
focuses only on physical training and ignores the many other aspects of 
riding and racing won't make you able to beat really smart and determined 
racers like Ernie Bayles or other perennial top-dogs.

SO.....

By all means, go and get your numbers if it sounds interesting to you. Get 
a coach and develop a training program with him/her, if you have big goals 
to reach for.  Just remember to ride your bike and have fun doing it.

Glenn  

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 20:00:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen <kmlop2 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FLCC> VO2 etc. numbers
To: Jack Rueckheim <Jrueckheim at frontiernet.net>,    Glenn Swan
    <gs37 at cornell.edu>, flcc at icycle.org
Message-ID: <399864.53854.qm at web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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I like tennis. But I love riding my bike. Glen makes very good points. I spent a 
year researching and talking to coaches, racers, team directors (think CSC, 
Jelly Belly, and Rock Racing). I have goals in mind and my coach knows the time 
I have to dedicate to a program, she knows I am training for a marathon in 
February and that I want to become a much smarter racer. I have the numbers, 
power, efficiency, watts and strength, what I lack is a structured training 
program that works for me and my goals. No I am not ever going to be a pro racer 
(too old), but I know that I have the strength and endurance to hang with the 
best and that is good enough for me!! And I have a blast doing it...and that is 
the point, have fun doing what you love :)

----- Original Message ----
From: Jack Rueckheim <Jrueckheim at frontiernet.net>
To: Glenn Swan <gs37 at cornell.edu>; flcc at icycle.org
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 9:07:51 PM
Subject: Re: FLCC> VO2 etc. numbers

What's wrong with tennis?

J.

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From: flcc-bounces at icycle.org [mailto:flcc-bounces at icycle.org] On
 Behalf Of
Glenn Swan
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:29 PM
To: Karen; flcc at icycle.org
Subject: FLCC> VO2 etc. numbers

At 12:11 PM 11/1/2007, Karen wrote:
>FYI- This pricing is a steal. I just had mine done this morning and it

>cost me $175. Great numbers BTW, not sure what I am supposed to do
 with 
>them so I hired a coach!!

Very interesting and relevant observation. What good are the numbers
 for 
most of us ? There are some local racers and local sports physiologists
 who 
will hopefully turn this into an interesting and informative thread, as

they use these numbers to tailor a training program to your physical 
limits/abilities and help you to reach your possible limits most 
efficiently and effectively. There is a lot of technical training using

heart rate monitors and power meters and knowledge of physiology to 
"optimize" training. As the one who wears the hat of "Coach" of the
 FLCC I 
am certainly aware of much of this equipment and body of knowledge.
 Heck, I 
SELL the equipment, so I should be pushing you to get into all of this
stuff...

BUT....

Most of us only find the numbers to be "interesting" or "confirmation"
 of 
what we already suspected, or maybe reason to be hopeful that we have
 the 
potential to be better than we thought. (read:Trevor Connor) Two
 important 
observations about these numbers: 1) VO2 etc. tend to indicate your 
potential, but don't guarantee success (or lack thereof), so although
 it is 
fun to know your numbers, they don't tell you much that is practical
 and 
useful.  2) To do something practical and useful with your numbers, you

will probably need to hook up with a good coach and plan to be very 
dedicated to a technical training program. If your coach is good and
 you 
are very dedicated, you will reach very near your maximum physical 
potential on the bike. Will you become a successful racer ? Will you
 enjoy 
riding your bike while working solely toward achieving maximum physical

potential ? Maybe yes, and maybe no. A bad coach will burn you out and
 help 
you to discover the joys of playing tennis.  A training program that 
focuses only on physical training and ignores the many other aspects of

riding and racing won't make you able to beat really smart and
 determined 
racers like Ernie Bayles or other perennial top-dogs.

SO.....

By all means, go and get your numbers if it sounds interesting to you.
 Get 
a coach and develop a training program with him/her, if you have big
 goals 
to reach for.  Just remember to ride your bike and have fun doing it.

Glenn  

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