FLCC> a modest proposal.-

[Wayne Gottlieb]

Sounds fine.  Wayne
--- david streater <nocarsdave at clarityconnect.com>
wrote:

> 
> I'd go along with Bill's "modest proposal"!
>                 DaveS
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> > From: William Lodico <wlodico at stny.rr.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:53 PM
> > To: Flcc <flcc at icycle.org>
> > Subject: Re: FLCC> Bike lane for uphill state st?
> a modest proposal.
> > 
> > Maybe something productive can come out of all
> this.
> > 
> > How does this sound :
> > 
> > Go ahead and stripe State Street just as planned
> for a bike lane,  
> > only don't call it a bike lane.  Call it a
> shoulder.*
> > 
> > Post the following signage:
> > 
> > 1  "Motor vehicles may not travel in shoulder" 
> (there is a sign to  
> > that general effect at the base of the NY 13 south
> descent into  
> > Ithaca, and it does properly state the law.) This
> should keep  
> > motorists out of it, which is what everyone wants
> out of a bike lane  
> > in the first place.
> > 
> > 2  Usual "Share the Road" with bicycle diamond. 
> This reminds  
> > motorists that, new striping notwithstanding,
> bikes may be in the  
> > roadway, and that they've an obligation to
> accommodate them.  This  
> > should negate the "bikes don't belong on the
> roadway" message that  
> > might be implied by something that looks like a
> bike lane.
> > 
> > Assuming that the city commits to cleaning the
> shoulder (necessary  
> > since motor traffic won't be performing the
> bike-friendly act of  
> > sweeping the pavement there), a five foot shoulder
> should provide all  
> > the bike positive advantages that might be
> afforded by a (clean, five  
> > foot) bike lane, without disallowing cyclists from
> the roadway  
> > proper.  It lets those who can make their way in
> motor traffic do so,  
> > and those more comfortable with riding on the
> other side of a paint  
> > stripe the chance to do that.
> > 
> > Maybe the city will be satisfied with some
> designation for the  
> > project that completely eliminates any hint of a
> bike lane.   
> > Something like "the State Street bicycle
> accessibility project."
> > 
> > How do others on the listserve feel about this
> idea?  Is there anyone  
> > well-placed on bike-ped committee or otherwise who
> might consider  
> > suggesting it as an alternative to the city?
> > 
> > Bill Lodico
> > 
> > (*Please note that I have some reservations about
> shoulders, although  
> > since they don't have the effect of implicitly
> prohibiting motorists  
> > from using the rest of the roadway, they aren't
> nearly as threatening  
> > as bike lanes.  They certainly aren't the panacea
> some think they  
> > are.  They collect debris, and are often given
> short shrift on the  
> > maintenance front, and quite often cyclists would
> be better served by  
> > a wider traffic lane and no shoulder.  .  .   but
> that's a whole  
> > different can of worms.)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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