FLCC> ESG qualifiers - Cookies Crumbling ?
Mark Rishniw
mr89 at cornell.edu
Tue Jun 3 13:38:06 EDT 2008
I empathize with both parties. However, given that we live in a country
that is markedly decentralized, with colleges (and therefore transient
resident populations) throughout the state, maybe other proof of residency
should be acceptable. For example, I had Australian friends who lived
here for 8 years (in Ithaca) before getting US drivers' licenses (they
drove on International Driving Permits for that time). Would they be
considered "ineligible" for racing for Central Region (had they wished to
race)? I agree with Brian that changing your license for a 2-4 year
"stint" at a college town seems somewhat excessive. Maybe, in future,
items such as a valid utility bill with the rider's address clearly shown
as being from the "central region" should be reasonable proof of
residency. Indeed, what constitutes "residency"? If I get a driver's
license showing an Ithaca address, having moved to Ithaca 2 weeks
previous, am I a "resident"? Or do I need to live in Ithaca for 2 years
(or some other arbitrary period) before I qualify as a "resident"? I know
for tax purposes, the period is 2 years within a particular state. What
about for ESG?
I think a full explanation of the requirements of residency, and a reviw
of these requirements is necessary to avoid these sorts of mishaps in
future.
> Well Stated Karen!!!! Thank you!
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Holm, Karen
> Date: 06/03/08 09:18:38
> To: Cameron Cogburn; Matt Plumb
> Cc: mgarcia at borgwarner.com; cookies at icycle.org; tvc at yahogroups.com;
> FLCC at icycle.org
> Subject: Re: FLCC> ESG qualifiers - Cookies Crumbling ?
>
> As one of the volunteers and officials for the ESG Qualifiers, I would
> like
> to offer my viewpoint on the disqualification of the two riders and
> hopefully end this painful discussion:
>
> 1) Rules were distributed via email by the ESG Coach for our region,
> Margaret Thompson, prior to the event. These same qualification rules are
> listed on the ESG website. The ESG rules state explicitly that only 2
> forms
> of ID are acceptable, a drivers license listing home address or student id
> for juniors. The riders refused to show their drivers license for various
> reasons like “I don’t have my wallet” or “I rode down with someone else”.
> Margaret asked if they were currently enrolled in school and the response
> was “no not this semester” and “I’m doing independent study”. A racing
> license does not offer proof of residency, only the state is listed. Only
> later did the cyclists admit that their residency was Long Island and that
> was the address listed on their drivers licenses.
>
> 2) ESG is not about fielding the “best team” or “dream team”,
> whatever
> that means. It’s about representing your region at the games which is an
> honor. By replacing our local racers with out-of-region riders (in this
> case
> from Long Island), we are not fielding our “best team”, we are fielding a
> Long Island team. We are denying our region’s riders their chance to
> compete
> and risking expulsion of the entire team (mens & womens) from the games.
> I’m
> not as familiar with the athletes chosen for the mens team but I do know
> the
> women. I’m excited about the athletes we are sending to the games.
>
> 3) Most of us know Margaret to be serious athlete and competitor, as
> well as a well-respected official and professional coach. I’d like to ask
> the ESG competitors to be supportive of Margaret and the difficult
> decisions
> she has had to make. For any of the race participants to refer to Margaret
> as a “ESG bureaucrat” only shows their ignorance of her credentials and
> racing legacy.
>
> We can continue to spend endless hours trying to soothe egos via email but
> these riders need to take some responsibility for the days events. Maybe
> the
> race officials would have come to a different conclusion had the riders
> been
> more forthcoming with identification or had arrived before the ESG field
> had
> left for the Time Trial. Instead the TimeTrial Start was held up due to
> the
> riders late arrival after registration had closed for the ESG events. And
> as a result the following races also started and finished late making for
> a
> long day for the volunteers and officials. And yet, I have not heard one
> complaint from those athletes who gave up their time to prepare for and
> staff the days races. Nor have I heard many thank-you's.
>
> karen
>
>
> Karen Holm
> Staff Database Architect
> Lockheed Martin EIS
> 607-725-4492 (mobile)
> 607-741-2240 (office)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flcc-bounces at icycle.org [mailto:flcc-bounces at icycle.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Cameron Cogburn
> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:42 PM
> To: Matt Plumb
> Cc: cookies at icycle.org; mgarcia at borgwarner.com; FLCC at icycle.org
> Subject: Re: FLCC> ESG qualifiers - Cookies Crumbling ?
>
> I was canned as well - not having a New York state driver's license was my
> downfall. But there will be plenty of more opportunities for the Cookie's
> to
> be seen on the podium and I look forward to racing with everyone through
> the
> rest of summer. After 2 weeks of essentially no biking because of
> parents/graduation and then a nasty virus, I was left riding the weakest
> and
> most conservatively I have all season at the qualifiers. All the fitness
> has
> come back quickly though, and I look forward to using this week to train
> hard in the mountains and put Cookies on the podium this weekend at the
> Settlers Life Omnium in Tennessee. The finishing climb for the RR is an 8
> mile 7% average finishing at Carvers Gap at 5512'. This is what it's all
> about. See you guys next week.
> -Cameron
>
>
> On Jun 2, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Matt Plumb wrote:
>
>
> I know what it would have been. 10 yellow and orange
> jerseys up the road at the games!
>
> As far as getting kicked out of the qualifier, as Brian
> said and I certainly took the time to express to the race promoter, I'm
> very
> disappointed. Not only because I felt several of us were unduly treated,
> but also because I'd have had a great time riding with you guys. But any
> how
> no worries. I've got faith and know you guys will ace it.
>
> On the plus side Brian and I got to beat up on each other
> for a couple of hours yesterday (we warmed up and used our little rings
> occasionally for that so it was a little more fun than the fall out of
> car,
> get yelled at, Red Bull and muffins way too close to start time, get DQ'ed
> TT). Also saved a bit of energy to carry me through a long, hilly
> ridiculous
> ride this morning.
>
> Any how, my legs are coming right along and am very much
> enjoying my summer riding around Ithaca with y'all. Doing a couple races
> the following weekends to prep for Fitchburg and hope to see lots of you
> out
> for Balloon fest this coming weekend (if not, go help out at ESG
> Seniors!!!!). Balloon Fest is a great race and worth the drive. I'm
> probably heading out with Brian friday and we'll probably be looking to
> split a super 8 close to the start so let me know if you going/interested.
>
>
> Also, as far as the "Cookies Crumbling" insinuation goes,
> we
> ve got an awesome team heading out to big races this year. So "crumbling",
> plainly I'd say not. I'm out riding with these guys all the time and
> we've
> actually got a big batch of those sheet pan sized, 1000kcal frozen Gorilla
> cookies that are about ready to be taken out of the oven.
>
> Congrats to the qualifiers!
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mgarcia at borgwarner.com
> To: flcc at icycle.org
> Sent: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 2:45 pm
> Subject: FLCC> ESG qualifiers - Cookies Crumbling ?
>
>
> Maybe Bill Lodico can take up our cause and help us appeal to
> CAS?
> I hear they will be finishing up with the Landis case soon.
>
> All kidding aside, I agree with Glenn that we are left
> wondering
> what might have been with the "Dream Team" .
>
>
> -Ano
>
>
>
> > We might have been even more prevalent if it were not for
> the
> fact
> that bureaucratic
> > elements stepped in and voided perhaps three of our
> strongest
> Cookies
> > riders. I am disappointed that Matt Plumb, Brian Lawney, and
> perhaps
> > Cameron Cogburn as well, were deemed ineligible for the
> games
> because
> of
> > changing definitions of what constitutes proof of address
> (racing
> license ?
> > place of residence for the last number of years ? driver's
> license ?
> birth
> > certificate ? ...)
>
>
>
> Mariano Garcia
> BorgWarner Morse TEC Inc.
> Ithaca Technical Center
> 770 Warren Rd. Ithaca NY 14850
> Ph: 607-266-2136 (desk) 607-266-2243 (recep)
> FAX: 607-257-5033
> email: mgarcia at borgwarner.com
>
>
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